https://www.rubylane.com/blog/categories/antiques-art/yorkshire-lane-the-history-and-marks-of-the-worcester-porcelain-company-part-i/

You might want to read this !! These really need a hands on look !! Still working on the other one !! May not be back here till late Wednesday !! I have a friend in the UK that works with some museums,, may ask him to take a look at both of these when I get back !!